PieFed DKMultiple US embassies are telling Americans they cannot evacuate or help them get out of the Middle East
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Seems very Donald to just launch a war without really telling anyone, and then doing nothing to help any of the civilians caught in the crossfire.
TrackinDaKrakenOur government doesn’t care about us beyond what we can do to make the rich richer. If we’re not engaged in that effort 18 hours per day, then we should just fuck off and die, as far as they care.
As a MAGA with Family trapped and Probably going to DIE because of this I FULLY Support Trump for a Third Term because ONLY Trump can Fix what TRUMP BIDEN caused! I’m a FREE THINKER!
US didnt think or care about our own people when “planning” this? Shocking.
I do hope they find a way out…
Not a part of the leadership’s plan. Now if we were made of crude oil, we’d be carefully extracted.
I would assume it’s part of the plan.
Getting Americans killed can be turned into maga propaganda quite easily. It’s not like the cult members are going to blame Trump.
They are desperate for an “incident” powerful enough to let them get away with anything, including a coup. They are literally running Mossad’s 10/7 strategy.
The impression I’ve been getting is that there wasn’t any time to make a plan anyway. I mean, even if there had been time, I doubt this group of geniuses would have been able to put together anything coherent , but it seems to me as though US negotiators were getting close to a good peace deal, Israel got wind of it, decided to literally bomb it, and this admin is too fascist and spineless to refuse to follow Israel into a war of aggression.
So, yeah, not that there would have been a good plan anyway, but I think this was almost as much of a surprise to the admin as it was to the rest of us.
BuT hEr EmAiLs
To be fair, Israel fired the first shots when they learned about a gathering of high profile diplomats who could all be murdered together. They did the schoolgirls at the same time just because that’s how Israelis roll.
It seems like the US didn’t anticipate things popping off at this somewhat earlier than expected juncture. But also, that US leadership doesn’t really give a shit how many American lives are lost fighting Israel’s wars for them, so there’s that too.
They probably thought there’s only one guy that can order the retaliation and killing him will end the conflict and… Yea, no, they thought they were playing CoD. Who cares when NPCs dies anyway?
They did. They just don’t care.
Remember Benghazi?
Maybe I’m showing my ignorance here, but isn’t that like one of their major responsibilities?
US Embassies exist to protect the *people of the US in foreign settings.
people *as defined by Citizens United v. FEC (2010)
Corpos only
“Corporations are people too, my friend.” - Mitt Romney
I lived in Saudi Arabia pre 9-11, and when Sadaam was getting Scudsy, they had people come from the embassy that gave my parents a card with instructions on what to do if there was a war. Part of that was a phone number where they could call anywhere in the country, and if you couldn’t follow the instructions they’d send someone to collect you.
Man this is fucking pathetic seeing our government this fucking incompetent.
If competent people in so many departments got purged, can we still call this incompetent? I think it’s about time we move over to malice.
I 1000% believe that it’s malice, unfortunately.
Malice would be if they could do the jobs but refused. Incompetence stems from malicious removals, but it is incompetence because the people working are, in fact, incapable of doing the job.
This is the result of eliminating those not loyal to Trump. Unfortunately incompetence and blind loyalty are closely related traits.
State department can’t always evacuate everyone. Can’t spend the big bucks doing an extraction on every American because one building got hit. When the region was getting hot in 2021, state department had like five five-seater jump planes in the area to do everything.
Now you’ve got hundreds of people getting squirrelly and demanding a flight now when the airspace is not looking great.
There’s other ways to evac people than just planes. I was just a kid when my story above happened. But my dad asked that very thing ‘is it safe to fly if there’s scuds in the air?’ and they said that had multiple ways to get people to safety.
Kind of. Their main purpose, though, is to represent the state for relations and dealings with the host, citizen services are secondary to this. Political capital within that relationship will determine what kind of things that they can help with, but overall you as an individual are responsible for yourself. There’s many places you’re kind of SOL even with an embassy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_mission
Ransoming countrymen of the represented country is literally one of the oldest diplomatic functions on earth and is a big part of why embassies were established in the first place.
Your own source literally defines the term “diplomatic mission” as:
So no, looking after the citizens of the represented country is NOT “secondary to the diplomatic mission” it IS the diplomatic mission.
Embassies can deprioritise citizen services when diplomatic relations within the host state make it politically costly to physically impossible, which is exactly what’s happening here. That’s the substantive point about the article and why citizen services are not even mentioned in the introduction.
Shame that’s not what you said when I replied to you and then repeated several times in the course of this discussion.
I meant is it’s not a service I’d depend on in a regional crisis as they can and will deprioritse it. It is not the main mission as the following passage to that sentence shows:
It’s not even rare for embassies outside of the first world’s to be openly hostile or outright useless to their own citizens in a pinch during times of peace.
Except that for Americans specifically, relying on the embassy for support and evacuation when a regional crisis arises has been a safe bet for nearly 100 years.
Certainly in the post-WWII era, if you followed the advice of the state department on not traveling to really dangerous places, and didn’t do something to get yourself into trouble (like getting involved in crimes), the US would use considerable resources to ensure an American citizen’s safe passage home. In fact, the hostility to Iran has some basis in the fact that Iran took over the American embassy during the revolution in 1978 and held the personnel hostage, a pretty blatant rejection of standard diplomatic norms. From a legal standpoint that was effectively an invasion of the US because an embassy is sovereign territory.
So regardless of your wording, this represents a pretty basic shift away from previous norms, especially given that the crisis people are fleeing is entirely a creation of the US government.
I said one of.
I’m saying it’s a bonus to a diplomatic mission rather than a duty.
Got it. Fair enough.
CORRECTION: US embassies in Jerusalem and Qatar issues statements on Tuesday saying they have CHOSEN NOT TO HELP Americans leave the Middle East.
Can’tWon’tTrapped Americans getting whoopsie-killed as shit all over the place gets blown up? That sounds like a great justification for throwing more money and lives at attacking the Epstein Files– I mean, Iran.
Honestly I would be more surprised if it were simply a gutted and incompetent goverment, rather than intentional.
Them files gotta be a whole lot fucking worse than we think given the lengths they’re going to distract people.
Look at the years that were witheld…
Do you happen to know the source for that infographic? I’d like to look deeper myself: 1999-2001 have Trump written all over them, even if only by inference, given the admitted dates of their “friendship” (if it ever ended at all).
Yeah I’ve deliberately put off fact checking and repeating that to be quite honest. The murmurs of the Internet were finally starting to unify against the rich. And to shut us up a possible runaway war was started. Everything is truly fucked.
The files are videos, apparently. Some folks around here keep posting the very large size of the seized trove, and it is a little shocking to think there would be that many .pdf files adding up to the total.
Guess they don’t get to ignore this war in the Middle East like they usually do 😂
They’re too busy helping israel, soz.
No one is left behind 🤡
😆😅🤣!!!
They can’t even be bothered to take care of Americans at home. Why would they waste resources on anyone living abroad?
This regime probably thinks you don’t deserve help if you chose to leave the Untied States
They adminstration that left people in Afghanistan dealing of the worst withdrawal of all time, happy to support a genocide, launching an illegal war, killing and imprisoning its own citizens and run by a pedo rapist will never care about anyone.
The administration doesn’t care about the US citizens in the middle east because they’re, predominantly, people of various ethnicities (for the racists, coz they’re “brown").
Could not or would not
My brother was stuck in Jallisco during the operation there. The US embassy was forwarding calls to Jallisco Emergency Services.
What were they doing in a war zone?
It wasn’t a war zone until we attacked Iran…
Not a student of history, are we?
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Okay, rephrasing it then “What are Americans doing in near proximity to a place that has been a war zone for more than 20 years due to US intervention in the region?” and the answer is “Either profiting off of US oil interests or propping up the tourism industry of US interested parties.”
Do you think every place in the Middle East is at war? Dude, that’s like saying every place in Africa is in poverty and starving. It’s a big place.
And what about all the tourists propping up the US with tourism dollars, supporting a warmonger country? If you want to play Silly Buggers about the whole thing…
I think it’s usually people with dual citizenship and Qatar wasnt a war zone until we made it that way.
If you voted for the bumbling pedo criminal and have front row seats for his piss poor planned shitshow, zero sympathy. I hope the water treatment plants fail during your visit.